Harry and Meghan’s children continue to be listed as ‘Master’ and ‘Miss’ on updated succession order

Harry and Meghan’s children are not listed as prince and princess on the updated order of succession published by Buckingham Palace after the Queen’s death.

As the grandsons of the reigning monarch, the children of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are entitled to the title. But on the updated order of succession under King Charles III, Archie Mountbatten-Windsor, three, and Sister Lillibet, one, receive the titles ‘Master’ and ‘Miss’.

During an explosive Oprah Winfrey interview, Meghan claimed that authorities denied Archie the title of prince and 24/7 security before deciding he was mixed race.

The Sussexes indicated in interviews that they expected Archie to become prince but were told that protocols would be changed to suit Charles’ desire for a thinner monarchy.

The Royal Family website published an updated order of succession yesterday. Although it indicates that Archie and Lillibet have risen up in the order of succession and are sixth and seventh in line to the throne, it does not list them as prince and princess.

Journalist Omid Scobie, a friend and favorite of The Sussexes, wrote on Twitter: ‘As the King’s son, Harry’s children have the right to be HRH Prince Archie and HRH Princess Lillibet. However, as of now both are listed with their original styling.

The royal family’s website published an updated list of the order of succession yesterday. Although it signifies that Archie and Lillibet are elevated in the order of succession and sixth and seventh in line to the throne, they will not be known as prince and princess.

The first photo released of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's daughter Lillibet in a Christmas card on December 23, 2021

The first photo released of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s daughter Lillibet in a Christmas card on December 23, 2021

The rules set by King George V in 1917 means Archie and Lily – as children of a sovereign’s son – still have an HRH style if they choose to use it.

A spokesman for the king said the monarch had announced the titles of William and Kate as Prince and Princess of Wales, and expressed his love for Harry and Meghan in his address to the nation on Friday.

‘While the website was updated for Wales, updating the love on the website apparently doesn’t quite work so we haven’t done much but clearly he loves them. We will work on updating the website as soon as we get the information.

The title question was first raised publicly by Meghan in her 2021 interview with Oprah Winfrey.

She said when she was pregnant with Archie: ‘They were saying they didn’t want to make her a prince or princess – not knowing what the gender would be – which would be different from protocol.’

Meghan described her ‘pain’ as she claimed authorities denied Archie the title of prince and accused Buckingham Palace of failing to protect her by denying her 24/7 security.

Asked whether it is ‘important’ for Meghan to call Archie a prince, she said she has no attachment to the ‘grandness’ of the official title.

But she said it was about ‘the idea of ​​our son not being safe, and the idea of ​​the first member of color in this family not to be titled as the other grandchildren would.’

King Charles III greets the public outside Clarence House, London, after being formally proclaimed monarch by the Privy Council

King Charles III greets the public outside Clarence House, London, after being formally proclaimed monarch by the Privy Council

During the explosive Oprah Winfrey interview, Meghan described her 'pain' as authorities denied Archie the title of prince and accused Buckingham Palace of failing to protect her by denying her 24/7 security was.

During the explosive Oprah Winfrey interview, Meghan described her ‘pain’ as authorities denied Archie the title of prince and accused Buckingham Palace of failing to protect her by denying her 24/7 security was.

In 2021, Charles was suggested – intended to limit the number of prominent royals – when he became monarch, in order to prevent Archie from becoming prince.

To do this, she must issue a letter patent amending Archie’s right to be a prince and Lily’s right to be a princess.

When Archie was born seventh in line to the throne in May 2019, he was far below the line of succession.

Although he was the emperor’s great-grandson, he was not the first born son of a future king, so was not automatically a prince.

He may have previously used the courtesy title of Earl of Dumbarton, or may have been Lord Archie Mountbatten-Windsor.

But Buckingham Palace said the Duke and Duchess made a personal decision that they should be plain master Archie Mountbatten-Windsor instead.

The Sussexes stopped using their HRH styles after stepping down as senior working royals for a life in Los Angeles, and there were later calls for their Duke and Duchess titles to be removed.

What is the George V Convention?

In 1917, the Queen’s grandfather issued new letter patents, which limited the number of members of the Royal Family with the title HRH.

These stated that ‘the children of any sovereign of these realms and the children of the sons of any such sovereign and the eldest surviving son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales shall at all times have the style, title or holding and enjoyment. Attribution of Royal Highnesses with their respective Christian names or with their other honorific titles with the nominal dignity of Prince or Princess.

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In 1917, the Queen’s grandfather issued new letter patents, which limited the number of members of the Royal Family with the title HRH

This means that when Prince Charles becomes king, his grandchildren – including Archie – automatically become princes or princesses.

It was also decreed that ‘the grandchildren of the sons of any such sovereign in direct male lineage … shall in all occasions enjoy and enjoy the style and title enjoyed by the children of the dukes of these our territories’ (i.e., Lord or female before their Christian name).’

In addition, letters referred to as a title or attribute of the style of Royal Highness, Highness or Serene Highness and the nominal dignity of a prince or princess shall no longer be assumed or borne by the descendants of any of the sovereigns of these realms.

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